Curse

Orry · Jun 01, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Re. the drunkard title. I don't know a single person of the ones that have it done that didn't macro their way through it. Some set up excel scripts, some used used gaming keyboards, some repurposed the very many clickers that are floating around the internet.

Well you obviously don't know many honest people. (Yes, breaking a contract, the EULA in this case, is dishonest)

FoxBat · Jun 01, 2010, 04:07 AM // 04:07

I find Anet's officially endorsed products to be problematic. If someone were to make a new mod that didn't do anything "bad", it would still be a non-approved program, and subject to banning until Anet said something to the contrary. A catch-22 because Anet won't bother to address such a program until it's already popular.

In GW2 you really ought to provide some common means for interface modding (usually XML) and tell people anything outside of that is banworthy. Much more clear-cut, simple, and fair. There's also no reason not to provide multi-clienting out of the box with say a command line option, this is a very simple check/switch to throw on or off.

PuppyEater · Jun 01, 2010, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

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Script. Not bot. A timed FOR loop does not make a bot.

An autonomous process that performs actions in the game with no input from the player other than to turn it on thus freeing them to simply walk away while in game actions are performed? That's a bot, don't kid yourself...

KZaske · Jun 01, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Re. the drunkard title. I don't know a single person of the ones that have it done that didn't macro their way through it. Some set up excel scripts, some used used gaming keyboards, some repurposed the very many clickers that are floating around the internet.

6 days, 22 hours, and 40 minutes of clicking every 3 ******* minutes is too much to ask for. Getting the cash for those titles should be the only challenge that ANet should expect players to overcome legitimately.

Now you do. I did it on three toons with only my mouse. No excel scripts, no gaming keyboards or other repurposed bull... No it is not too much to ask. I just did it when I was standing around chatting with friends, standing on 9-rings or other wise not engaged, like attending one of Gail's ingame chats (I miss those). I was done with it, on my main, several months before Eye of the North came out. Since then there are several skills that reward you for being drunk while out playing, which made getting the next two very easy.
It is not difficult to max drunk, unless your an idiot.

axe · Jun 01, 2010, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by kupp

Originally Posted by kupp View Post
Somwhat off the current discussion, but I take it I'm not the only person about to have an aneurysm from all the QQ threads of botters that got banned and make themselves the victims and/or somehow try to make it Anet's fault?

I just needed to vent this...

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Originally Posted by Trub

I feel your pain.
Empathy, compassion, example,and facts... all these things don't work against a determined QQ addict.

Makes one want to toss Ritalin into the masses.

When they start to get to you with the QQ remember

Botting is like going to prison, youre likely to get butthurt if you go there

Sirius Bsns · Jun 01, 2010, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Anet should just make the drunkard title like that of the Sweet Tooth and Party Animal track so that it'd do away with the irk of having to spend an inhuman amount of time getting to it. Nobody wants to be forced to waste time like that, and there's absolutely nothing skillful or admirable about enduring that bullsh*t. It'd be a huge relief to anyone going for it if Drunkard were just "double-click for points". F.T.W!

Lord Sojar · Jun 01, 2010, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Too tired to look up any more of your own statements to use as replies to your arguments. [Not completely sure you caught on to that part. Also not sure I should feel the need to apologize to you when everything I said was copy/pasted from your own posts, but I'm sure the people you said those things to would appreciate an apology.] Shame that you failed to learn anything about empathy, I was hopeful, but not every object lesson can be successful.

Dear fellow, I don't empathize with cheaters. Also, very little gets by me in the way of concept or function; I consider myself fairly intelligent, as do many other people. You trying to portray me as a fool just won't work I'm afraid, so you might as well stop, because you aren't getting anywhere. Cheaters don't deserve an apology, and will not receive one from me, ever. You can't use my own argument against me, because my argument is based on a very simple premise: ANET's definition of botting. Things that do not meet that definition aren't botting.

I'm not a fool, I saw you copying my statements and not quoting them (as you should have). You weren't making a point, just mindlessly repeating yourself, akin to inane banter; gee, that sounds a lot like most of the QQ threads in Riverside right now! Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

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Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns

Anet should just make the drunkard title like that of the Sweet Tooth and Party Animal track so that it'd do away with the irk of having to spend an inhuman amount of time getting to it. Nobody wants to be forced to waste time like that, and there's absolutely nothing skillful or admirable about enduring that bullsh*t. It'd be a huge relief to anyone going for it if Drunkard were just "double-click for points". F.T.W!

So very true. The concept of spending 10,000 minutes of your life for a single title is absurd. The Drunkard title has always been the very definition of failure on ArenaNet's track record for title creation/concept.

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Originally Posted by locao

i agree drunkbot should be banned what i said is texmod also should...

Uh... why? TexMod is available as a client side mod only, and doesn't really give anyone an unfair advantage. The Cartography title gives no edge to the player, no bonuses, etc. It's just a title... nothing more.

Farming gold with a bot increases your wealth. This allows you to in turn, buy consumables, and items that give you an edge in game play compared to others that cannot afford them (thanks to insane prices) because you and the people like you hyper inflated the prices.

Interrupting and subsequently winning matches in PvP gives you more faction than a non botter in the same period of time, giving you faster ZKey rewards, thus giving you wealth faster.

Seeing a trend here?

Also, even if ArenaNet didn't want people to use TexMod, they couldn't ban you for using it if they wanted to. It is strictly client side, and would give ANET no indication you used it. The only way they could stop the use of TexMod would be via an update to the game itself, blocking its operation.

What exactly are you guys trying to say? That TexMod is the same as an interrupt bot, ergo the botters that were banned don't deserve to be banned, or that everyone who uses TexMod deserves the same perma ban? Either argument is rather stupid....

AriBalifor · Jun 01, 2010, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Re. the drunkard title. I don't know a single person of the ones that have it done that didn't macro their way through it.

[shakes hand] Pleased to meet you.

Now you do. (I got it by playing under the influence like the others.)

Yol · Jun 01, 2010, 01:36 PM // 13:36

I got Ale hound on my main without using a bot. Whenever the character was in Kamadan/LA etc I used the time to do some trading and drink while I was there. Didn't need to use the zoning trick either. I have no intention of going for that title again on another character though. Never used a bot, never needed to use a bot, never will use a bot.

**cosyfiep** · Jun 01, 2010, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Re. the drunkard title. I don't know a single person of the ones that have it done that didn't macro their way through it. Some set up excel scripts, some used used gaming keyboards, some repurposed the very many clickers that are floating around the internet.

6 days, 22 hours, and 40 minutes of clicking every 3 ******* minutes is too much to ask for. Getting the cash for those titles should be the only challenge that ANet should expect players to overcome legitimately.

I'm not quite done yet (9k done--just waiting for nic to give me more alcohol---I have NEVER bought any) and I have never used any bots to do this (dont even know how to use a bot, never had one etc), actually it was quite easy to do this while doing HOUSEHOLD chores--making dinner, load up character click, stir things on stove, (timer on stove goes off) click on another alcohol.....doing laundry, general cleaning, and yes....when the phone rings and someone talks to me for another hour (mom) or so (friends)....I can easily click and talk at the same time!!! and then there is the afk on the rings....click..go watch tv, at commercial click again--my poor monk would be drunk for 5 minutes sober for 2 and then drunk again.

and some of it was done while playing as well, the thing is if you have level 5 alcohol you do not need to do it consecutively....you can let the effects end and then start another one so no need to do it 'every 3 minutes' ...with my character having well over 167 hours played its not too hard to click at the start of a mission, forget about it for half of the mission click again and by the end of the mission have 15 or so minutes already added to your amount (15 may not seem like a lot but if you have done 53 missions and other quests etc...it adds up).

yes it seems like a big mountain at the start but picking away at it for the last 3 years---its aint so big no more.

Kumu Honua · Jun 01, 2010, 01:59 PM // 13:59

8900 minutes. 3 years. No bot.

Dzjudz · Jun 01, 2010, 02:25 PM // 14:25

10,000 minutes, 4 months, no bot. Not that hard.

Gill Halendt · Jun 01, 2010, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I'm an engineer and since I can't stand uneven numbers, I went as far as 15.000 minutes (the closest multiple of 3, 5 and 1.000), no bots either.

ZainAhmed · Jun 01, 2010, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

No, that's what we call cheating. LOL. You were using a bot to augment your abilities in competitive PvP... This was giving you an enormous advantage over other players! Why am I even explaining this? This is like the definition of cheating! You won't get your account back, you cheated.

Now your're saying botters are different from cheaters?

Thought you said botting meant leaving the computer and letting it do you work for you(cheating!)...where I was still actively giving input. Now if your gonna call me a cheater then I don't think I deserve a perma ban either...a month long (or slightly more) ban is good enough for anyone or ingame/email warning etc etc for "cheaters" because we're not really botters, according to what you explained earlier,...right?

Actually, you had to pretty close to the person you wanted to rupt but most people know how to kite and even the "bot" missed sometimes at close range or at times just ignored skills that were to be rupted so it never really worked out for me and I used it like 5-6 times so I never gained anything from it (they should have noticed that when i used/injected that I didn't gain anything out of like lots of gold, titles, etc etc ...and "it" would crash all of a sudden too...and I didn't know it was "cheating"(seriously) until it actually started rupting like instantly...almost like I was training it for a while and then it started acting on it's own on certain skills...and that's when I quit, I knew i would I get banned somehow

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It was first time experience on "bots" especially on an mmorpg on which I used to believe hacks are impossible. So it was curiosity and as many times on these forums people have yelled "curiosity killed the cat"...

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Interrupting and subsequently winning matches in PvP gives you more faction than a non botter in the same period of time, giving you faster ZKey rewards, thus giving you wealth faster.

Not entirely true. Rupting even with a bot is hard. Because most people who even used it once, like my self, used it due to bad ping otherwise why the hell would you...but since rupting skills doesn't mean you will win the match every time you have to know what skills you MUST rupt where as the bot doesn't really know, it just fires if certain skills come up but maybe you don't want to rupt it...um diversion or blind etc etc a human players knows exactly when to rupt if they have good ping <100ms and I explained earlier about how "effective" it was.

Although, there is a possibility that much more advanced bots were out there that were used in GvG/HA but then those people aren't intersted in money as much as they were in titles...they are just titles ^^

Gill Halendt · Jun 01, 2010, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

I never gained anything from it (they should have noticed that when i used/injected that I didn't gain anything out of like lots of gold, titles, etc etc ...

Who cares of the gain?

- Injecting is prohibited as it involves hacking the client (appending a library to the executable process and forcing it to be loaded and executed)
- Process manipulation and packet manipulation is prohibited
- Intercepting client-server data transfers is prohibited

That's even before we take into account elements such as the purpose of the bot, the duration of the hack by the user, the final gain obtained: you're hacking the game and that's considered a severe breach to the Rules of Conduct, whatever the purpose, whatever the duration, whatever the outcome.

Martin Alvito · Jun 01, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Doesn't matter whether positioning requires skill. You're substituting automation for another form of "skill" (ability to deliver interrupts on time consistently). That's cheating.

Blaming your ping doesn't excuse your actions. Top Euro players ping 50. I ping 250-300. Does that mean that I should bot Rollerbeetle Racing to get a better time than Tanniz, who pings 50? No. Just because the disparity in pings isn't fair doesn't give me the right to hack the client to redress the balance. Doing so is against the rules, and I should expect a ban for doing it.

Firebaall · Jun 01, 2010, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Now your're saying botters are different from cheaters?

Thought you said botting meant leaving the computer and letting it do you work for you(cheating!)...where I was still actively giving input. Now if your gonna call me a cheater then I don't think I deserve a perma ban either...a month long (or slightly more) ban is good enough for anyone or ingame/email warning etc etc for "cheaters" because we're not really botters, according to what you explained earlier,...right?

Wow...with logic like that, Anet should be driving to your house and use a real "ban" hammer on your computer. Too bad using the internet doesn't require some kind of standard testing...

You're the worst kind of bot cheater, you directly modified (with that software) against competitive play vs another real player. What he means is that if you have any doubt about software/hardware that you might use is a bot, there is a simple "test" you can perform. If you can walk away from the computer and have it still "play" the game without your input...it's a bot. Call it an acid test. However, that isn't the only definition of a bot.

It doesn't mean that you can exclude yourself because you manually initialze your software hack.

If anything, cheating in a player versus player game is much worse than botting wealth or status alone. You actively denied aspects of the game to another player in real time. You should be banned 110% forever.

Lolwut1337 · Jun 01, 2010, 07:06 PM // 19:06

I saw some guy QQ on forums that he got banned for botting and the bot he used didn't even work properly

Now about the drunk bot . I've been in ZoS and I can clearly remember a talk we had. Xo said he used a clicker for his title and I said it's botting and it's bannable, but then like 10 other guys admitted that they used a clicker for the title, so I guess MANY people don't even know it's bannable OR it's not bannable if so many did it.

Gill Halendt · Jun 01, 2010, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Lolwut1337

I guess MANY people don't even know it's bannable OR it's not bannable if so many did it.

It's bannable, but cannot be detected as easily (or automatically) as an injected bot.

So the chances someone notices you in your guild-hall drinking, suspects you're auto-clicking it and consequently reports you... and then they check for perfectly spaced-out clicks always at the very same coordinates on screen... and then deduce you were actually autoclicking and ban you... well, are rather slim, but still, it's bannable indeed.

Aldric · Jun 01, 2010, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Re. the drunkard title. I don't know a single person of the ones that have it done that didn't macro their way through it. Some set up excel scripts, some used used gaming keyboards, some repurposed the very many clickers that are floating around the internet.

6 days, 22 hours, and 40 minutes of clicking every 3 ******* minutes is too much to ask for. Getting the cash for those titles should be the only challenge that ANet should expect players to overcome legitimately.

Hi , half way through and using plain old eyeballz and finger for my drunk title. Personally i have 2 pcs on most of the time so GW runs when I play fps and I just click my mouse when i notice the title bar has moved up 3 mins

otherwise i just play my main and spend all my time drunk

Also Drunkbot users should be banned.